@AndrewL64 said:
Are there any "mainstream" alternatives to ipv4/ipv6?
No. IP is the network layer like it or not. All others have been relegated to the dustbin of history or the occasional, always thus far, limited research project.
The push-ups site runs on Named Data Networking (NDN).
It uses an overlay based on IPv6, but the same architecture can work without IP.
CERN has a native (layer 2) deployment of this architecture that was demo'ed at Supercomputing 19 conference.
They are using NDN for managing petabytes of data from the Large Hadron Collider.
@AndrewL64 said:
Considering the abundance of addresses, any reason why devices/servers are not adopting it and ditching ipv4?
Like what devices and servers?
Android, Windows, iOS, Mac OS X, Linux, etc. they all have it, usually on by default and used if provided by the network. I think the majority of hosting providers, even like low-end ones here, have it at least partially deployed if not fully. Probably lots of users are not taking full advantage of it however. A good poll might be to ask if users are creating A and AAAA DNS RRs for their services or are opting not to bother.
IPv4 has not been officially deprecated, although there have been calls for the IETF to do that as a way to help motivate IPv6 deployment where it is lacking.
One thing I think you'll be very unlikely to see is any serious player having deployed or implemented IPv6 deciding to ditch it and go back to IPv4-only.
@AndrewL64 said: Are there any "mainstream" alternatives to ipv4/ipv6?
I wish there was an alternative to SSL, first there were those price gouging cert providers and now we have these certs which need more and more labour to setup the automation.
@yoursunny said: It uses an overlay based on IPv6, but the same architecture can work without IP.
seems interesting, but what kind of problems does it solve(or even improve upon) for an end user or a web developer?
@AndrewL64 said: Are there any "mainstream" alternatives to ipv4/ipv6?
I wish there was an alternative to SSL, first there were those price gouging cert providers and now we have these certs which need more and more labour to setup the automation.
TLS (formerly SSL) secures the pipe.
You get an encrypted socket, but the content is not authenticated.
When you use CDN, the CDN provider can become malicious and modify your content, and there's no way for the client to detect it.
Named Data Networking secures the content.
There's a cryptographic signature on every Data packet, signed by the publisher's key.
The client shall verify this signature before accepting content.
Intermediate caches cannot maliciously modify content without being detected.
@evnix said:
I wish there was an alternative to SSL, first there were those price gouging cert providers and now we have these certs which need more and more labour to setup the automation.
You might be interested to learn about DANE, but after much early hype it has essentially crashed and burned as the way past the multi-root X.509 certificate trust anchors we seem to be stuck with.
@yoursunny said: When you use CDN, the CDN provider can become malicious and modify your content, and there's no way for the client to detect it.
Yeah I can imagine entities like cloudflare injecting ads or blocking certain keywords down the line.
@jtk said: You might be interested to learn about DANE,
That is a seriously good idea, sad to see it not being more widely used, That tiny RFC has more information packed together than most of the blogs or Youtube videos out there, highly recommend people read it even though it is likely not so relevant today.
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Man, not even ipv6 is a mainstream alternative to ipv4.
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Considering the abundance of addresses, any reason why devices/servers are not adopting it and ditching ipv4?
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No. IP is the network layer like it or not. All others have been relegated to the dustbin of history or the occasional, always thus far, limited research project.
Dataplane.org's current server hosting provider list
The push-ups site runs on Named Data Networking (NDN).
It uses an overlay based on IPv6, but the same architecture can work without IP.
CERN has a native (layer 2) deployment of this architecture that was demo'ed at Supercomputing 19 conference.
They are using NDN for managing petabytes of data from the Large Hadron Collider.
Then there's IPv9, available in Antarctica.
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Like what devices and servers?
Android, Windows, iOS, Mac OS X, Linux, etc. they all have it, usually on by default and used if provided by the network. I think the majority of hosting providers, even like low-end ones here, have it at least partially deployed if not fully. Probably lots of users are not taking full advantage of it however. A good poll might be to ask if users are creating A and AAAA DNS RRs for their services or are opting not to bother.
IPv4 has not been officially deprecated, although there have been calls for the IETF to do that as a way to help motivate IPv6 deployment where it is lacking.
One thing I think you'll be very unlikely to see is any serious player having deployed or implemented IPv6 deciding to ditch it and go back to IPv4-only.
Dataplane.org's current server hosting provider list
I wish there was an alternative to SSL, first there were those price gouging cert providers and now we have these certs which need more and more labour to setup the automation.
seems interesting, but what kind of problems does it solve(or even improve upon) for an end user or a web developer?
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TLS (formerly SSL) secures the pipe.
You get an encrypted socket, but the content is not authenticated.
When you use CDN, the CDN provider can become malicious and modify your content, and there's no way for the client to detect it.
Named Data Networking secures the content.
There's a cryptographic signature on every Data packet, signed by the publisher's key.
The client shall verify this signature before accepting content.
Intermediate caches cannot maliciously modify content without being detected.
HTTP Signed Exchanges borrowed NDN's idea …
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You might be interested to learn about DANE, but after much early hype it has essentially crashed and burned as the way past the multi-root X.509 certificate trust anchors we seem to be stuck with.
Dataplane.org's current server hosting provider list
ipv9 ! try to contact @yoursunny , he can hook you up
Yeah I can imagine entities like cloudflare injecting ads or blocking certain keywords down the line.
That is a seriously good idea, sad to see it not being more widely used, That tiny RFC has more information packed together than most of the blogs or Youtube videos out there, highly recommend people read it even though it is likely not so relevant today.
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To be used on the Internet? IPv6 is the latest and greatest Internet Protocol. Why do you need an alternative anyway?
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There is IPoAC described in RFC 1149
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1149
How did this even make it to the IETF website 😂😂😂
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Not reliable, would need to use a mirror, double bird per package for redundancy.
Latency will be horrible though.
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