@vimalware said:
That said, sponsored resources like this are nice for LES community-commons services, like a Zulip Chat / Rocket chat instance.
Latency doesn't matter so much for text chat, but having access to 4GB RAM is key. ?
(Whichever has native mobile client with low battery DRAIN. ?)
For whatever you are doing on which latency matters so much, according to the Ubuntu blog from 2015 LXC has 57% lower latency than KVM. To which I can add my impression that Ubuntu 20.04 LXC instances seem quite a bit lower latency than 18.04 instances, but I haven't made any measurements. You really might wanna try LXC plus Ubuntu 20.04.
Haha! I didn't know about Zulip or Rocket. Thanks for mentioning them. I will look at them a bit more. Of course, IRC still lives, too.
I actually had thought about setting up something for chat for my server users. But simply posting here in the LES forum plus having the ability to use LES PMs seemed good enough. Or am I mistaken? Would the LES community, or a subset of it, enjoy a chat interface?
Discord?
It seems you think most everybody here would like Discord and the channel would be active?
Discord is the new irc haha. As for active, that depends.
@vimalware said:
That said, sponsored resources like this are nice for LES community-commons services, like a Zulip Chat / Rocket chat instance.
Latency doesn't matter so much for text chat, but having access to 4GB RAM is key. ?
(Whichever has native mobile client with low battery DRAIN. ?)
For whatever you are doing on which latency matters so much, according to the Ubuntu blog from 2015 LXC has 57% lower latency than KVM. To which I can add my impression that Ubuntu 20.04 LXC instances seem quite a bit lower latency than 18.04 instances, but I haven't made any measurements. You really might wanna try LXC plus Ubuntu 20.04.
Haha! I didn't know about Zulip or Rocket. Thanks for mentioning them. I will look at them a bit more. Of course, IRC still lives, too.
I actually had thought about setting up something for chat for my server users. But simply posting here in the LES forum plus having the ability to use LES PMs seemed good enough. Or am I mistaken? Would the LES community, or a subset of it, enjoy a chat interface?
Discord?
It seems you think most everybody here would like Discord and the channel would be active?
Discord is the new irc haha. As for active, that depends.
Would prefer IRC or Matrix, or some other protocol easily available in the weechat client (yes, "wee", not "we")
Still not sure if I'd be very active. I tend to idle mostly in my IRC and Matrix channels ...
Thank for the post! Once again, thank you for providing free VPS to me and other users.
Your support was even better than some paid service. As you started selling server, I hope there'll be more and more clients!
Kerala sounds good! Love to visit! Thanks for the invitation!
Mostly the graphics don't turn me on so much. But your .gif was different. Mesmerizing! I stared at it on my phone for several minutes. It has a real three-dimensional quality to it. Is she Kali?
@quangthang said:
Thank for the post! Once again, thank you for providing free VPS to me and other users.
Your support was even better than some paid service. As you started selling server, I hope there'll be more and more clients!
Thanks for your kind words! I am glad to have you on my server!
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@Not_Oles said: I'm with you guys on the preference to suffer with open protocol/source/copyleft. :-)
I wouldn't call it suffering, as I actually prefer the user experience of a real chat client like weechat (which also has different frontends, web/apps), and matrix and IRC work really well with it. There's also a slack plugin available, and I think there's a discord plugin. (Haven't checked.)
@Not_Oles said: I'm with you guys on the preference to suffer with open protocol/source/copyleft. :-)
I wouldn't call it suffering, as I actually prefer the user experience of a real chat client like weechat (which also has different frontends, web/apps), and matrix and IRC work really well with it. There's also a slack plugin available, and I think there's a discord plugin. (Haven't checked.)
Now I really am going to have to look at weechat. Thanks @flips!
The "suffering" might mostly be from the point of view of users of closed source products which sometimes install more easily than free products. So maybe closed source users see "a lot of suffering" in getting open source stuff up and working. So I was trying to be facetious, but it didn't work. :-)
I think the idea of a community chat might be enough interesting that it deserves its own thread. I'm off to look at weechat. Thanks again @flips!
@Anon said:
I understood right? OP gives VPSes and spies on customers?
Excellent to ask these important questions! Interestingly, these questions are reciprocal, too. I can imagine a user setting up her VPS as a honeypot to catch me spying on her! What about the user who asked me for my ssh public key after he accidentally erased it from his VPS? I was almost sure he was setting up his VPS to crack my ssh encryption so he could spy, not only on me, but on all the other users too. After all, spying is everywhere these days. Witness Google and Facebook and Apple.
Awhile back a guy named Ken Thompson wrote a compiler to compile login so that login always accepted his password in addition to whatever password was specified to be used for any user. Moreover, the compiler was programmed to compile this trick into future versions of the compiler -- even versions from which the code for the trick had been removed. So, for many years, Ken could log in to every system on which login was compiled with a descendant of Ken's original compiler -- which was, indeed, many systems.
Details of this story were presented when Thompson received the Turing Award from the Association for Computing Machinery. Here is a pdf version of the story and here is an html version.
According to this guy, "Ken Thompson has since confirmed that this hack was implemented and that the Trojan Horse code did appear in the login binary of a Unix Support group machine. Ken says the crocked compiler was never distributed. Your editor has heard two separate reports that suggest that the crocked login did make it out of Bell Labs, notably to BBN, and that it enabled at least one late-night login across the network by someone using the login name 'kt'."
Thanks again @Anon! I appreciate your raising this important topic. Best wishes!
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Discord is the new irc haha. As for active, that depends.
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Yeah, that "dependency" thing, again. :-)
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Would prefer IRC or Matrix, or some other protocol easily available in the weechat client (yes, "wee", not "we")
Still not sure if I'd be very active. I tend to idle mostly in my IRC and Matrix channels ...
Thank for the post! Once again, thank you for providing free VPS to me and other users.
Your support was even better than some paid service. As you started selling server, I hope there'll be more and more clients!
MetalVPS
I would rather suffer my way through an open protocol like matrix, than use discord for anything more than weekend game voice carrier .
Cloudron now has a packaged riot.im and matrix apps. Riot is the most popular web front-end to matrix. It should fit in their free tier. (2apps)
@Not_Oles said:
Sunny tropical paradise : Kerala, India.
Come by after this is over.
I'm with you guys on the preference to suffer with open protocol/source/copyleft. :-)
MetalVPS
Kerala sounds good! Love to visit! Thanks for the invitation!
Mostly the graphics don't turn me on so much. But your .gif was different. Mesmerizing! I stared at it on my phone for several minutes. It has a real three-dimensional quality to it. Is she Kali?
MetalVPS
Thanks for your kind words! I am glad to have you on my server!
MetalVPS
This is a really good post. Thanks for detailing your experiences!
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Hey Daniel! Thanks for your kind words! Much appreciated!
MetalVPS
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MetalVPS
Now I really am going to have to look at weechat. Thanks @flips!
The "suffering" might mostly be from the point of view of users of closed source products which sometimes install more easily than free products. So maybe closed source users see "a lot of suffering" in getting open source stuff up and working. So I was trying to be facetious, but it didn't work. :-)
I think the idea of a community chat might be enough interesting that it deserves its own thread. I'm off to look at weechat. Thanks again @flips!
MetalVPS
I think I got your point, and I did laugh!
That was a great run
Its,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathakali
Not to be confused with,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali
That's lovely boss ☺️
Wow! I had no idea! Amazing!
MetalVPS
Fascinating insights, thank you for taking the time to write all of that up.
You're welcome!
I see you're a graybeard too!
I'm 72. Are you older? I've been wondering whether anybody here is older than me. 
MetalVPS
Hi I'm 21. Since 1999.
I bench YABS 24/7/365 unless it's a leap year.
Lovely to read this, did users abuse your free VPS? If yes how you handle them?
Glad you enjoyed reading! ?
It was quite a bit of fun. No abuse at all.
I have a new little project going on now. If you're interested, please look in the free stuff category for my fedora rawhide whitehat playpen thread.
Maybe I will do another free VPS offer before too long.
MetalVPS
I understood right? OP gives VPSes and spies on customers?
Excellent to ask these important questions! Interestingly, these questions are reciprocal, too. I can imagine a user setting up her VPS as a honeypot to catch me spying on her! What about the user who asked me for my ssh public key after he accidentally erased it from his VPS? I was almost sure he was setting up his VPS to crack my ssh encryption so he could spy, not only on me, but on all the other users too. After all, spying is everywhere these days. Witness Google and Facebook and Apple.
Awhile back a guy named Ken Thompson wrote a compiler to compile login so that login always accepted his password in addition to whatever password was specified to be used for any user. Moreover, the compiler was programmed to compile this trick into future versions of the compiler -- even versions from which the code for the trick had been removed. So, for many years, Ken could log in to every system on which login was compiled with a descendant of Ken's original compiler -- which was, indeed, many systems.
Details of this story were presented when Thompson received the Turing Award from the Association for Computing Machinery. Here is a pdf version of the story and here is an html version.
According to this guy, "Ken Thompson has since confirmed that this hack was implemented and that the Trojan Horse code did appear in the login binary of a Unix Support group machine. Ken says the crocked compiler was never distributed. Your editor has heard two separate reports that suggest that the crocked login did make it out of Bell Labs, notably to BBN, and that it enabled at least one late-night login across the network by someone using the login name 'kt'."
Thanks again @Anon! I appreciate your raising this important topic. Best wishes!
MetalVPS
Will it be LXC or KVM this time ?
LXC
MetalVPS
And thank you to @Not_Oles for an excellent, entertaining, and informative post!
Please count me in on that, game server's are fine ?