@havoc said:
I'm just amazed that people are handing over CCs with 1000+ capacity in an industry full of deadpools
Use a prepaid card or paypal or something lol
Legally, I believe you are entitled to your money back in case something like this happens.
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@havoc said:
I'm just amazed that people are handing over CCs with 1000+ capacity in an industry full of deadpools
Use a prepaid card or paypal or something lol
Legally, I believe you are entitled to your money back in case something like this happens.
It really depend upon your banking partner and its regulations . In India if you fucked like this then bank will say that's your fault and nothing can be done just file a case to IT Cybercrime department.
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@havoc said:
I'm just amazed that people are handing over CCs with 1000+ capacity in an industry full of deadpools
Use a prepaid card or paypal or something lol
Use Amex and just call them for chargeback every time shit happens. They'll hunt your money down for you
Amex has great service in this regard. Not sure if, e.g. Revolut (which I also use) would show the same commitment.
I think it just depends on the bank as well, my bank uses VISA but turned into absolute bloodhounds when I had to charge something back. Had the money back in like 24 hours after lodging.
Chargebacks are processed by vendors (Visa/Mastercard) not banks - at least here.
Sure, you start it at the bank, but then they forward all the info to Visa/Mastercard and they decide shit.
Sure, banks can step in and just handle that on theirs level before going M/V, but most do not.
When your bank hotline consultant making problems with chargeback just push it - it's still going to be revised by V/M (aka 3rd party and you pushing that poor guy on the phone is not a factor).
Also, for those saying that people should’ve used paypal, he had disabled it because someone opened a chargeback and he got pissed that he had to pay dispute fees.
One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.
I keep reading this but both times I've had problems with providers they've been absolutely useless. I put a pox on them every time they're my only option.
I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.
Paypal is the reason I'm doing this now ( although with my Mastercard not Revolut ).
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.
@Hostaris said:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.
We just can't take your word for it, send me your bank statements and a picture of your wife and I'll verify this for the community!
@Hostaris said:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.
You involved yourself with this shitshow. Don't be surprised when people don't believe you. Should have stayed way far away and not even let on you knew the owners.
One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.
I keep reading this but both times I've had problems with providers they've been absolutely useless. I put a pox on them every time they're my only option.
I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.
Paypal is the reason I'm doing this now ( although with my Mastercard not Revolut ).
I usually phone them when there's an issue. PayPal's phone support in Germany is usually very understanding and supportive.
One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.
I keep reading this but both times I've had problems with providers they've been absolutely useless. I put a pox on them every time they're my only option.
I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.
Paypal is the reason I'm doing this now ( although with my Mastercard not Revolut ).
I usually phone them when there's an issue. PayPal's phone support in Germany is usually very understanding and supportive.
Do you recon I could file a dispute with Paypal against a family & friends payment (made a mistake with something else). If not then I'll probably go through my CC
One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.
I keep reading this but both times I've had problems with providers they've been absolutely useless. I put a pox on them every time they're my only option.
I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.
Paypal is the reason I'm doing this now ( although with my Mastercard not Revolut ).
I usually phone them when there's an issue. PayPal's phone support in Germany is usually very understanding and supportive.
Do you recon I could file a dispute with Paypal against a family & friends payment (made a mistake with something else). If not then I'll probably go through my CC
PP explicitly tells you that F&F payments do not come with buyer protection, thus can't be disputed. Could go the CC route, but you'll probably end up getting your PP account closed by doing that... since you agreed to the terms after all.
One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.
I keep reading this but both times I've had problems with providers they've been absolutely useless. I put a pox on them every time they're my only option.
I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.
Paypal is the reason I'm doing this now ( although with my Mastercard not Revolut ).
I usually phone them when there's an issue. PayPal's phone support in Germany is usually very understanding and supportive.
Do you recon I could file a dispute with Paypal against a family & friends payment (made a mistake with something else). If not then I'll probably go through my CC
PP explicitly tells you that F&F payments do not come with buyer protection, thus can't be disputed. Could go the CC route, but you'll probably end up getting your PP account closed by doing that... since you agreed to the terms after all.
One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.
I keep reading this but both times I've had problems with providers they've been absolutely useless. I put a pox on them every time they're my only option.
I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.
Paypal is the reason I'm doing this now ( although with my Mastercard not Revolut ).
I usually phone them when there's an issue. PayPal's phone support in Germany is usually very understanding and supportive.
Do you recon I could file a dispute with Paypal against a family & friends payment (made a mistake with something else). If not then I'll probably go through my CC
PP explicitly tells you that F&F payments do not come with buyer protection, thus can't be disputed. Could go the CC route, but you'll probably end up getting your PP account closed by doing that... since you agreed to the terms after all.
Not like that account is even legal LOL
And also @SnusBoks where are my HDDs or do you want a chargeback?
I talked to a human on one occasion - he was equally useless. I just closed my account and disputed the transaction with my credit card. They took care of it. I'm sure PP would've been pissed that they had to eat the charge but serves 'em right as far as I'm concerned.
PayPal's phone support in Germany is usually very understanding and supportive.
German consumer protection laws must have teeth. ;-)
@Hostaris said:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.
We just can't take your word for it, send me your bank statements and a picture of your wife and I'll verify this for the community!
Will do. I'm not sure if Nationwide has the option to download a statement with immediate effect, they're generated monthly - but I can send screenshots of everything. I haven't got a wife lol.
@Hostaris said:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.
You involved yourself with this shitshow. Don't be surprised when people don't believe you. Should have stayed way far away and not even let on you knew the owners.
I know... It was a rookie mistake and I've learned from it. I'm not surprised people don't believe me - they have the right to their own opinion. But I can prove I had no involvement whatsoever in this. I haven't even spoken to him since around the 22nd Feb.
@Hostaris said:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.
We just can't take your word for it, send me your bank statements and a picture of your wife and I'll verify this for the community!
Will do. I'm not sure if Nationwide has the option to download a statement with immediate effect, they're generated monthly - but I can send screenshots of everything. I haven't got a wife lol.
No wife...... hmmmmmm that's what someone hiding their wife would say!
@Hostaris said:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.
We just can't take your word for it, send me your bank statements and a picture of your wife and I'll verify this for the community!
Will do. I'm not sure if Nationwide has the option to download a statement with immediate effect, they're generated monthly - but I can send screenshots of everything. I haven't got a wife lol.
No wife...... hmmmmmm that's what someone hiding their wife would say!
Whether you're being sarcastic or not, I want to show I've got nothing to do with it because there are people that think otherwise.
@Hostaris said:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.
We just can't take your word for it, send me your bank statements and a picture of your wife and I'll verify this for the community!
Will do. I'm not sure if Nationwide has the option to download a statement with immediate effect, they're generated monthly - but I can send screenshots of everything. I haven't got a wife lol.
No wife...... hmmmmmm that's what someone hiding their wife would say!
Whether you're being sarcastic or not, I want to show I've got nothing to do with it because there are people that think otherwise.
I'm messing around, I gathered from the conversation you were nothing to do with it lol
@Hostaris said:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.
We just can't take your word for it, send me your bank statements and a picture of your wife and I'll verify this for the community!
Will do. I'm not sure if Nationwide has the option to download a statement with immediate effect, they're generated monthly - but I can send screenshots of everything. I haven't got a wife lol.
No wife...... hmmmmmm that's what someone hiding their wife would say!
Whether you're being sarcastic or not, I want to show I've got nothing to do with it because there are people that think otherwise.
I'm messing around, I gathered from the conversation you were nothing to do with it lol
@Hostaris said:
I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.
We just can't take your word for it, send me your bank statements and a picture of your wife and I'll verify this for the community!
Will do. I'm not sure if Nationwide has the option to download a statement with immediate effect, they're generated monthly - but I can send screenshots of everything. I haven't got a wife lol.
No wife...... hmmmmmm that's what someone hiding their wife would say!
Whether you're being sarcastic or not, I want to show I've got nothing to do with it because there are people that think otherwise.
I'm messing around, I gathered from the conversation you were nothing to do with it lol
Other people aren't though...
Don't worry about weirdos on the Internet, including myself! Apologies if the wife verification part wasn't clear I was joking 🤣
@havoc said:
I'm just amazed that people are handing over CCs with 1000+ capacity in an industry full of deadpools
Use a prepaid card or paypal or something lol
Legally, I believe you are entitled to your money back in case something like this happens.
It really depend upon your banking partner and its regulations . In India if you fucked like this then bank will say that's your fault and nothing can be done just file a case to IT Cybercrime department.
Do not generalize. There is a INR 50 K “not your fault” kind of cap on my card. Small change but that’s nearly 600 US dollars at current rate.
There is a sub limit, that is, per transaction is 18 or 20 K, and once ler financial year. They may lower the cap if they have already paid you once.
Depends on the credit card, and bank. Get cybersecurity insurance they will cover upto INR 700,000 for 10 K/yr.
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Legally, I believe you are entitled to your money back in case something like this happens.
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It really depend upon your banking partner and its regulations . In India if you fucked like this then bank will say that's your fault and nothing can be done just file a case to IT Cybercrime department.
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I think it just depends on the bank as well, my bank uses VISA but turned into absolute bloodhounds when I had to charge something back. Had the money back in like 24 hours after lodging.
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Chargebacks are processed by vendors (Visa/Mastercard) not banks - at least here.
Sure, you start it at the bank, but then they forward all the info to Visa/Mastercard and they decide shit.
Sure, banks can step in and just handle that on theirs level before going M/V, but most do not.
When your bank hotline consultant making problems with chargeback just push it - it's still going to be revised by V/M (aka 3rd party and you pushing that poor guy on the phone is not a factor).
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Also, for those saying that people should’ve used paypal, he had disabled it because someone opened a chargeback and he got pissed that he had to pay dispute fees.
It's not just do I get my money back but also limiting blast radius. Revolut card 50 bucks limit vs amex with thousands.
The one is inconvenient noise the other is a cashflow crisis that bleeds into stuff like can I make rent
Thank god i cancelled my card only a few weeks ago i used to pay for a vps at nvmenetworks but I left nvme after it had too much downtime
One of the reasons why many people still stick to PayPal. While it's not that good for providers, it's really.. let's say consumer friendly.
I tend to use Revolut's disposable virtual cards for (unkown) LE hosts, whenever PayPal isn't an option.
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I keep reading this but both times I've had problems with providers they've been absolutely useless. I put a pox on them every time they're my only option.
Paypal is the reason I'm doing this now ( although with my Mastercard not Revolut ).
If Paypal is not an option, I will not be a customer of that provider
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I just want to clarify that I am NOT Blake. I have had a small handful of people in PMs accusing me of fraud. We are not in any way associated with this incident.
We just can't take your word for it, send me your bank statements and a picture of your wife and I'll verify this for the community!
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You involved yourself with this shitshow. Don't be surprised when people don't believe you. Should have stayed way far away and not even let on you knew the owners.
"I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that meddling Frankz and Mason!!"
I usually phone them when there's an issue. PayPal's phone support in Germany is usually very understanding and supportive.
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Do you recon I could file a dispute with Paypal against a family & friends payment (made a mistake with something else). If not then I'll probably go through my CC
PP explicitly tells you that F&F payments do not come with buyer protection, thus can't be disputed. Could go the CC route, but you'll probably end up getting your PP account closed by doing that... since you agreed to the terms after all.
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Not like that account is even legal LOL
And also @SnusBoks where are my HDDs or do you want a chargeback?
I talked to a human on one occasion - he was equally useless. I just closed my account and disputed the transaction with my credit card. They took care of it. I'm sure PP would've been pissed that they had to eat the charge but serves 'em right as far as I'm concerned.
German consumer protection laws must have teeth. ;-)
Will do. I'm not sure if Nationwide has the option to download a statement with immediate effect, they're generated monthly - but I can send screenshots of everything. I haven't got a wife lol.
I know... It was a rookie mistake and I've learned from it. I'm not surprised people don't believe me - they have the right to their own opinion. But I can prove I had no involvement whatsoever in this. I haven't even spoken to him since around the 22nd Feb.
No wife...... hmmmmmm that's what someone hiding their wife would say!
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Whether you're being sarcastic or not, I want to show I've got nothing to do with it because there are people that think otherwise.
I'm messing around, I gathered from the conversation you were nothing to do with it lol
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Other people aren't though...
Don't worry about weirdos on the Internet, including myself! Apologies if the wife verification part wasn't clear I was joking 🤣
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Might be language barrier
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Interesting. That would also explain why he wanted to get ID from customers to "verify" them on his shithosting.
Do not generalize. There is a INR 50 K “not your fault” kind of cap on my card. Small change but that’s nearly 600 US dollars at current rate.
There is a sub limit, that is, per transaction is 18 or 20 K, and once ler financial year. They may lower the cap if they have already paid you once.
Depends on the credit card, and bank. Get cybersecurity insurance they will cover upto INR 700,000 for 10 K/yr.
Debit card /UPI - good luck
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Same. Not accepting PayPal is a red flag. There may be a few rare exceptions but generally speaking I use this to guide me.
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