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• Nyr OG

  May 2020

  If anyone like me was wondering how could this provider could offer such cheap IP addresses in Europe:

  They are hosted at Ecatel.

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• SoftShellWeb Hosting Provider

  May 2020

  @Nyr said:
  If anyone like me was wondering how could this provider could offer such cheap IP addresses in Europe:

  They are hosted at Ecatel.

  We are in no way associated with Ecatel or receive any service from the mentioned provider. Furthermore we are not a reseller.

  How would that explain our IP prices, when our IP ranges have no correlation with Ecatel? For additional IP's we charge $1/mo which is more or less the industry standard.
• Nyr OG

  May 2020 edited May 2020

  @SoftShellWeb said: We are in no way associated with Ecatel or receive any service from the mentioned provider. Furthermore we are not a reseller.

  Yes you are. Your test IP is announced by AS56611. REBA Communications is one of Ecatel's shell companies. Your IP space is owned by Ecatel and not you.

  Ecatel uses different legal structures in different countries to operate. Other of their publicly known names are: Quasi Networks, IP Volume, FiberXpress and Network Dedicated SAS. They are all owned by Ecatel, operated by Ecatel and hosted in the same datacenter.

  @SoftShellWeb said: How would that explain our IP prices

  Ecatel owns lots of IP space compared to the relatively low amount of customers which they have. They regularly need to rotate their IP space when it gets too hot just like they rotate shell companies.

  @SoftShellWeb said: For additional IP's we charge $1/mo which is more or less the industry standard.

  That was maybe 5 years ago.

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• deepak_leb OG

  May 2020

  @Nyr said:
  If anyone like me was wondering how could this provider could offer such cheap IP addresses in Europe:

  They are hosted at Ecatel.

  What's that about ?
• Nyr OG

  May 2020

  @deepak_leb said:

  What's that about ?

  Notorious cybercrime hoster, plenty of information in the internet about them.

  https://www.google.com/search?q=ecatel+quasi+networks

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• SoftShellWeb Hosting Provider

  May 2020

  @Nyr said:

  Yes you are. Your test IP is announced by AS56611. REBA Communications is one of Ecatel's shell companies. Your IP space is owned by Ecatel and not you.

  The IP's are announced with REBA Communications, same as our test IP. They are not owned by Ecatel, REBA nor the DC. Besides that is not our only location we offer services from.

  @Nyr said:

  Ecatel uses different legal structures in different countries to operate. Other of their publicly known names are: Quasi Networks, IP Volume, FiberXpress and Network Dedicated SAS. They are all owned by Ecatel, operated by Ecatel and hosted in the same datacenter.

  Great! Which we are not part of...

  @Nyr said:

  Ecatel owns lots of IP space compared to the relatively low amount of customers which they have. They regularly need to rotate their IP space when it gets too hot just like they rotate shell companies.

  Good for them? We are not associated with them nor are a shell company of theirs.

  @Nyr said:

  That was maybe 5 years ago.

  Our business structure allows us to offer such prices and be profitable.
• SoftShellWeb Hosting Provider

  May 2020

  @Nyr said:

  @deepak_leb said:

  What's that about ?

  Notorious cybercrime hoster, plenty of information in the internet about them.

  https://www.google.com/search?q=ecatel+quasi+networks

  Which doesn't involve us, we follow our Terms of Service strictly and have zero tolerance against abuse.
• Nyr OG

  May 2020

  @SoftShellWeb said: They are not owned by Ecatel, REBA nor the DC.

  My mistake, you're right about that one.

  @SoftShellWeb said: We are not associated with them

  You are using their datacenter, their network and your IP space is even announced by their AS, so you are certainly associated with them even if you go trough a middleman like it is the case.

  I'll not go into your motives, maybe you are a "legit" company, but from the very big list of dutch upstreams which you could select to start doing business with, you ended up being hosted at Ecatel. Maybe you are not tolerating abuse and I don't care, but you are helping to fund a criminal enterprise which has done very big damage to small business in the LE* communities and elsewhere. Maybe you weren't around back then, but there was a dark time where any company posting UK offers in LET would be instantly subject to very significant DDoS attacks and Ecatel was probably the main facilitator of this crime back then.

  It is true that nowadays Ecatel maintains a lower profile and they cater more to smaller abuse like hosting illegal content rather than facilitating DDoS. But the fact remains that by using this kind of business partners you'll probably archive sub-optimal business continuity, even if your company doesn't directly engage in criminal activity.

  Let this be the end of the discussion. I was just reading your offer, then noticed that it was hosted at Ecatel and wanted to let prospective customers know so they didn't unwillingly end up with a server at Ecatel. I don't want to become an internet policeman or attack your business, it was just relevant information for other community members.

  That said, it would be honest in your end to at least admit that your dutch upstream is ultimately Ecatel, you are hosted at their datacenter and using their network.

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• SoftShellWeb Hosting Provider

  May 2020

  @Nyr said:

  You are using their datacenter, their network and your IP space is even announced by their AS, so you are certainly associated with them even if you go trough a middleman like it is the case.

  We have no legally binding contract or agreement with Ecatel or any communication with them what so ever. Our servers are hosted at DataOne which offered us a good deal on server housing and ticked most of our requirement boxes so that we can offer quality services at an affordable price to our clients, which they can vouch for.

  @Nyr said:

  I'll not go into your motives, maybe you are a "legit" company, but from the very big list of dutch upstreams which you could select to start doing business with, you ended up being hosted at Ecatel. Maybe you are not tolerating abuse and I don't care, but you are helping to fund a criminal enterprise which has done very big damage to small business in the LE* communities and elsewhere. Maybe you weren't around back then, but there was a dark time where any company posting UK offers in LET would be instantly subject to very significant DDoS attacks and Ecatel was probably the main facilitator of this crime back then.

  We are a green hosting provider therefore we were searching for a data center that is powered by green energy and uses eco-friendly server cooling to minimize our footprint, while also offering decent network, equipment and solid DDoS Protection. It happens that from our long list of upstream providers DataOne fulfilled most of our requirements. The service that they offer to us is far superior to most Dutch providers in their price range and their on-site 24/7 support is extremely fast and skilled, their support always responds in under 15 minutes.
  We have no involvement into the doings of Ecatel that you claim here. We always try to contribute to the low end community by making our customers satisfied with our high quality bargain services and support. Unless you can prove that we have harmed or caused dismay to anyone from the low end community please stop trying to ruin our reputation here.

  @Nyr said:

  It is true that nowadays Ecatel maintains a lower profile and they cater more to smaller abuse like hosting illegal content rather than facilitating DDoS. But the fact remains that by using this kind of business partners you'll probably archive sub-optimal business continuity, even if your company doesn't directly engage in criminal activity.

  Please point out any kind of abuse or illegal content that is being hosted on our network?! Unless you have some solid evidence about us conducting foul business don't try to speculate or insinuate it.

  @Nyr said:

  Let this be the end of the discussion. I was just reading your offer, then noticed that it was hosted at Ecatel and wanted to let prospective customers know so they didn't unwillingly end up with a server at Ecatel. I don't want to become an internet policeman or attack your business, it was just relevant information for other community members.

  They would not be buying a server from Ecatel, the server nodes are our property, the services and support are exclusively provided by us. Besides we also have a USA location, does that mean Ecatel did a leap across the Atlantic for us? .
• WSS Retired

  May 2020

  Jesus this is as bad as a "Virmach is ColoCrossing?" thread.

  Thanked by (1)Brueggus

  My pronouns are asshole/asshole/asshole. I will give you the same courtesy.
• Iroshan464 OG

  May 2020

  It's not?

  Enjoy meditation without religion for one month.
• meminescu

  May 2020

  well its lame ... says instant setup ... purchased and paid ... got payment confirmation email ... and vps says pending for hours and your advertise says Instant Setup !!! Thats a lie !!!
• WSS Retired

  May 2020

  @meminescu said:
  well its lame ... says instant setup ... purchased and paid ... got payment confirmation email ... and vps says pending for hours and your advertise says Instant Setup !!! Thats a lie !!!

  Eat a dick and choke to death.

  My pronouns are asshole/asshole/asshole. I will give you the same courtesy.
• SoftShellWeb Hosting Provider

  May 2020

  @meminescu said:
  well its lame ... says instant setup ... purchased and paid ... got payment confirmation email ... and vps says pending for hours and your advertise says Instant Setup !!! Thats a lie !!!

  Apologies for the wait, please let us know your order number or open a ticket with us as soon as possible so that we can check this out. The setup should be instant after payment is received.