Nvidia buys ARM from Softbank for $40 Billion!

Francisco

This won't affect Apple's move to ARM at all since they have a perpetual license, but still.

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-to-acquire-arm-for-40-billion-creating-worlds-premier-computing-company-for-the-age-of-ai

Personally I expect to see Microsoft try to push ARM again with both Microsoft and Apple going full walled garden for even desktop PC apps.

The minute I start to see Apple fuck with brew is the day I put my mac up for sale and move to Linux.

Francisco

chocolateshirt

Its similar situation when AMD bought ATi. Now the market will shift again.. Poor intel..

serv_ee

@chocolateshirt said:
Its similar situation when AMD bought ATi. Now the market will shift again.. Poor intel..

Different market segments tho. Intel (nor AMD for that matter) don't have anything to pit against the LP market against ARM and vise versa.

willie

I guess everyone will go risc-v now .

elliotc

This won't affect Apple's move to ARM at all since they have a perpetual license, but still.

I through Apple only have perpetual license of ARMv8?

elliotc

@willie said:
I guess everyone will go risc-v now .

Unless Nvidia go mad, no one will give up what they've built, and people are more likely to use things that are well maintained by big companies.
This is not a deal that can be completed in a short period of time, and Apple can't be ignorant of it. I'm guessing that Apple's switch to ARM, Nvidia, was a big part of the push. Never thought of Intel as a possible failure, 14nm+++++++++++++++ is the best 14nm, and 14nm has a huge market.

someTom

An excellent move by Nvidia.
Now Intel - after many years as a defacto monopolist - has two real competitors.

havoc

Don't think this is a good thing for tech in general. Nvidia can't even get their linux drivers right after a decade let alone keep a independent chip platform independent.

Hoping RISC V takes off

tehdartherer

@Francisco said:
Personally I expect to see Microsoft try to push ARM again with both Microsoft and Apple going full walled garden for even desktop PC apps.

I'm really afraid of the walled garden scenario too. This will happen, for sure

elliotc

@havoc said:
Don't think this is a good thing for tech in general. Nvidia can't even get their linux drivers right after a decade let alone keep a independent chip platform independent.

Hoping RISC V takes off

Unless Nvidia do something super stupid, and a(multi) super-brand take over and lead the RISC-V project. ARM's inertia is so strong that it's difficult for companies that follow him to turn.

serv_ee

@havoc said:
Don't think this is a good thing for tech in general. Nvidia can't even get their linux drivers right after a decade let alone keep a independent chip platform independent.

Hoping RISC V takes off

Its not that they cant get them right, they just dont care.

MichaelCee

Up 8.13% during market open

codelock

Every body here is talking about RISC V but, nvidia has to really really fuck up like intel at 14 nm times 1000 for RISC V to become a competitor....

let2les

Good luck getting FOSS firmwares and drives
For my hobbies, definitely turning to RISC-V.

havoc

@codelock said:

Every body here is talking about RISC V but, nvidia has to really really fuck up like intel at 14 nm times 1000 for RISC V to become a competitor....

RISC V is gonna slaughter everything in in sight. Watch.

Chinese companies are embracing RISC V and throwing billions at chip manufacturing to get away from US dependence. They just poached a bunch of TSMC engineers.

Intel is great...but no way they can compete against a 14 trillion GDP country that has made this a strategic goal

They're also working on x86 chips too though. That's catching up very fast on the nm generations too

deank

The end is clearly nigh.

elliotc

@havoc said:

@codelock said:

Every body here is talking about RISC V but, nvidia has to really really fuck up like intel at 14 nm times 1000 for RISC V to become a competitor....

RISC V is gonna slaughter everything in in sight. Watch.

Chinese companies are embracing RISC V and throwing billions at chip manufacturing to get away from US dependence. They just poached a bunch of TSMC engineers.

Intel is great...but no way they can compete against a 14 trillion GDP country that has made this a strategic goal

They're also working on x86 chips too though. That's catching up very fast on the nm generations too

Intel is powered by the whole GDP of the world which include that 14 trillion, and the US have siphoning ability to attract talented peoples.
Don't want to talk too much about politic in this forum, so I deleted the essay I already type.
My 2 cents: RISC-V would have taken decades to mature. As RISC-V faces political risks, it will only become more difficult to glow.
Note that RISC-V is under BSD, it can be close-source.

codelock

@havoc said:

@codelock said:

Every body here is talking about RISC V but, nvidia has to really really fuck up like intel at 14 nm times 1000 for RISC V to become a competitor....

RISC V is gonna slaughter everything in in sight. Watch.

Chinese companies are embracing RISC V and throwing billions at chip manufacturing to get away from US dependence. They just poached a bunch of TSMC engineers.

Intel is great...but no way they can compete against a 14 trillion GDP country that has made this a strategic goal

They're also working on x86 chips too though. That's catching up very fast on the nm generations too

I love open platforms but anything made by china is a big no

Rahul

@havoc said: RISC V is gonna slaughter everything in in sight. Watch.

Yes,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V#In_development

The Force is strong with this one,

Even in India as, The Centre for Development of Advanced Computing (C-DAC) which is an Indian autonomous scientific society, operating under the Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology is hooked.

havoc

@codelock said:

I love open platforms but anything made by china is a big no

Back to abaccus it is then. You'd be hard pressed to find something not made by china these days. (Though whether TSMC counts as Chinese is another matter)

havoc

@elliotc said: Intel is powered by the whole GDP of the world

Yeah Intel is in a decent position too. I don't see them hanging on to it though. Not unless the US dramatically changes it's economic approach - i.e. starts throwing massive amount of taxpayer money at intel. Even a well run company can't compete against a bottomless pit of taxpayer money.

sureiam

Would have thought it would be worth more

elliotc

@havoc said:

@elliotc said: Intel is powered by the whole GDP of the world

Yeah Intel is in a decent position too. I don't see them hanging on to it though. Not unless the US dramatically changes it's economic approach - i.e. starts throwing massive amount of taxpayer money at intel. Even a well run company can't compete against a bottomless pit of taxpayer money.

I am not going to persuade and prove my point. Just to point out it could be another space race. In any aspect of semiconductors, the investment is very very huge and it takes time.

Rahul

Let Me Fix That for You

@havoc said: TSMC counts as Chinese Taiwanese

havoc

@Rahul said:
Let Me Fix That for You

@havoc said: TSMC counts as Chinese Taiwanese

Haha I did allude to that issue in an earlier comment but decided not to dive into that mess....